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« on: December 13, 2011, 11:42:38 AM »

hi joey, i purchased 2 new graphics cards and have experienced several issues,can you please confirm the compatibility/incompatibility issues im having?   thanks.

1.the first pic shows (blue) the compatibility issues with the card slots (returned).
hot link   http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=l7zfl682vzbx5lf
2.the second pic shows  (yellow circle)  the area that is difficult to install/insert (New card) without force.
hot link  http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=ybh4n5njjtojy1c
3.the third pic shows (red) the slots i was assured will be compatible despite me questioning it at the store.(yellow)shows the missing connection to the power supply.
hot link  http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=40hi3pcv4ipu3jx
i even took my card with me so this would not happen,each trip takes half a day of travel. the current card is a 'ZEUS 5500,nVidia G-force FX 5500'
im now down $170 and about to reinstall my original nVidia card again.
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« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2011, 03:13:55 PM »

turns out after some research,this card 'was' ok in the year 2005 and 6.
but any youtube vid will have more bad comments than good.
its also not compatible with windows7 and has many errors in XP aswell(you will need to drop down to 15 f/p/s for any decent quality).
so even if i did install it i would be very dissapointed and have to install XP.i now have to travel for the 3rd day in a row to get a refund for $130. note that refund will also have cost me over $60 in travel throughout those 3 days. not happy! yes my current graphics card is faulty,but atleast it works lol. starting to question why i decided to downgrade.
i had 2 techs convince me that i was wrong and it was totally compatible,and they sell/repair computers.
feeling tired,drained and sad  Angry    lol
oh yea,i would have to bend my computer case so i wouldnt have to force it in and the slots at the back will end up with a 2mm gap due to the size,so id need to move my whole motherboard back 2mm for a decent fit.
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« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2011, 03:37:42 PM »

I see you have the ATI Radeon 5450 in the image. That is a GOOD graphics card for what you plan to do. The talk on the Internet is if you plan on playing the latest games like Modern Warfare 3. If you plan on playing the latest games you need to change more than your graphics card. You need a new CPU, new motherboard and new RAM as well as other new parts. So the HD 5450 is more than fine.

On the ATI driver site there are new ones compatible with Windows XP, Windows 7 32-bit and Windows 7 64-bit for the ATI Radeon HD 5450.
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« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2011, 07:22:19 PM »

hi joey,thanks for the reply
the ATI Radeon 5450 card was a compleatly missmached component that i needed to take back and exchange. i got as far as setting up a cammera,unboxing,and as soon as i removed my graphics card to do an install i  compared them together i knew it was a wrong part.so i had to return that card. the next card i bought, i actualy took my card with me so i wouldnt end up with the wrong card again,turns out that happened aswell.2 techs told me wrong whilst convincing me to purchasing it.
i agree the Radeon is a good card but your right i basicaly need to rebuild the pc again to use that.
the  ZEUS 5500 nVidea GeForce FX, is the current card im about to return. as it doesnt sopport windows7 or have a plug connection to the power supply/hard drive.
a 10minute install should not take the 3 days im now on, because of the poor advice i received from the shop.
the current card i own is fine aslong as i dont run a screen recorder or play games,when i do the pc crashes and reboots with a failed graphics card warning.
i just want to use it for general purposes,not gaming, but study,tutorials,stream etc...
on the plus side,my new power supply is working out great,just need somewhere to plug the graphics connection into lol.
sorry mate,some techs in Australia are abit backwards.most ive met talk of upgrading to XP due to the fact they wont learn a new OS, so we kinda get missinformed and we then have to hire help.when XP becomes obsolete there will be a whole industry waiting for new techs to arise.cant wait.infact theres 4 local shops i avoid due to there inabilitys. now 5.
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« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2011, 11:02:47 PM »

I am guessing the 5450 they gave you was a newer PCI-Express, and the one you are replacing is an AGP?

Here is an image of an older AGP slot: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bb/Mainboard_agp.jpg

Here is one of a newer PCI-Express slot:http://min.us/mjmUqB
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« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2011, 12:41:37 AM »

yes i have an AGP (you spotted that instantly as appose to the techs in the shop that had my card in there hands)  Grin
the Radion looks like the PCI express
and the ZEUS 5500  looks like its an old PCI (which they sware is compatible,but doesnt seem to have the 4or5(from memory) pin connections to join the hard drive and power supply cables,tho im not entierly sure of the PCI part coz it has 3 splits in the connection that dont match any slot ive seen,it does have 'AGP 8x - 2.1GB/s bandwith to system' written on the box).there is very little info in the Quick install guide and hasnt got any more info in the box.only supports XP,2000,NT,ME,98,95,Linux,API Support,open GL 1.4 & lower,directX 9.0 & lower(written on the box). but was built before windows7,so theres no info regarding that,until you read the comments on youtube.the only other way you could know without researching first would be to have XP installed and run a win7 compatibility test.
im actualy using the PC now with the old nVidia card back in it. it will work well for a few hours,perhaps a day or 2 then the freeze ups begin.this PC has double the RAM and triple the CPU as my notebook,but the notebook responds better during screen recordings(same software).dont get me wrong this is a fast computer,once i sort the graphics card issue out.
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« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2011, 01:53:41 AM »

i just spoke to the tech from the store.apparently this card doesnt need the connection from the hard drive and power supply,its compatible with windows7.and if theres a prob with installing it he wants to charge me a quote,labor and parts. he recommends that i upgrade the whole PC from the motherboard up,RAM,CPU,everything. will not refund and only give store credit.he stated that the card i require is impossible to get and my system is over 5 years old,and may not be compatible at all. thats funny coz the graphics card is over 5 years old aswell.he can guarentee the part, but not the PC its going into coz nothings compatible with a pentium4 anymore and i should not be running windows7 on such a machine.hmmm never had a prob running win7 on it before. joey is this a technobable attempt to sound superiour?
the amount ive now spent in that store over the past week i could have bought a brand new PC.    power supply,2x 1gig ddr3 RAM,trackball mouse,graphics card,cd's etc...,travel expences.
the stores called "ED's PC" there an australian based company.
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i have a public appology to make in regards to this post towards ED's PC's.
the graphics card works and is compatible with windows7,despite hundreds of forums and comments around the net. this man does know what hes talking about and i am man enough to admit that.
ill pop back later and do a proper write up,but for now ive got some testing to do.
joey,i would love to know your opinion on the subject?
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« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2011, 08:43:15 AM »

-instalation-  for windows 7 computers.
back up current drivers/create system restore point/drop resolution to bare minumum/uninstall NVidia GeFORCE 7600/restart PC/run Ccleaner and clean registry(14  dead files)/shut down and unplug the graphics card and insert new card + battery/start PC(nothing)/connect a VGA plug and different monitor/reboot PC(success)/open Bios and set date,time,boot sequence to SATA/save and restart/create new restore point/ download and install the 'Vista drivers'from NVidia website 'FX5 series'/scan the download then dissable antivirus/run the set up(instalation successful)/restart PC/open screen resolution and locate the monitor that wasnt working(success)/unplug the VGA connected monitor and restart again.  now everythings working with dual monitor options.
there is a 2mm gap at the back of my PC and the top plate is loose, i had to wedge folded paper in the gap to stop any vibration.also had to use preasure against my PC's case to insert the new card.

-TESTING- 
droped the resolution down to 1280x720
loading websites = black screen for a second before loading the page
youtube seems to work ok
1st test   'FurMark' =  1fps
2nd test  'GPU shark'  =  25 minutes and couldnt finnish(not supported)
3rd test  'video card stability test'    looks like i downgraded from 195fps to 13fps (yes 13 frames per second) this is a low,low,low end card that i will attempt to play 'super mario bros' with later on lol.

-so far no freeze ups or crashes-

links to pictures of my tests/benchmark.

1.  http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=w3gwlpb6119yspp
2. http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=bobhzjxsw04up0m
3. http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=cenobb6ig81ioib

i dont agree with the no refund policy at all, and in Australia we have consumer rights and legal aid to help prevent this,just ask bigpond  Wink
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« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2011, 08:48:34 PM »

Windows 7 will run on a Pentium 4 computer as long as you have a minimum of 1 GB of RAM but I personally would not install Windows 7 on a Pentium 4 without at least 2 GB of RAM.
A negative you will have running Windows 7 with a Pentium 4 computer is a speed decrease. Windows 7 prefers to run on a dual core CPU for the smoothest performance.

I saw on the FutreMark image you linked that you have a Pentium Dual Core processor. That is definitely fine to run Windows 7 on (again with 2+ GB of RAM).

The GeForce FX 5500 is slower, low-end graphics card. I am not surprised that the tests gave you those results.
I think I missed something here. I thought the GeForce FX 5500 graphics card died. So the one that died was the GeForce 7600 and you purchased a 5500?
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« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2011, 09:15:30 AM »

hi joey  Smiley
yes, my original card was a GeFORCE 7600 and tried to get a mid range card. i was offered a card for $65 but i said i wanted to spend atleast $150.and this was the recommended card that was cross checked by another tech at the store. i cant play youtube over 360p once i hit 420p i get broken images,720p is like looking at a vid of photos insteat of motion video. this could be an internet/buff problem so i ran some tests. on furmark the big furry donught did not spin at all.in 3 minutes it moved about  20frames which appered more like a glitch than a test. due to the fact there was movement but the picture states 0 fps and 1 per minute.i wrote 1fps but shoud have actually written '0.01fps'
so far 1 freeze up trying to watch youtube 720p and had to restart PC. banicam screen recorder cant keep up with the mouse,windows snipping tool is slow when scribbling on the capture(cant track the mouse).
as for the pentium D(the tech also stated theres no such thing),xp home reads it as pentium5 aswell, i have installed windows7 on it since the day i purchased this PC, that was well over a year ago.it is totally compatible with windows and the experiance rating was a  3.4 and is now at 2.1  ,it was my proccecssor that rated poorly but now its this new 5500 card.the speed of the PC is fine, it fully loads windows from the login music in less than 2 seconds,this includes kaspersky 2011 loading,a desktop gadget,sound and graphics drivers.the only thing that takes a couple more seconds is the internet connection.but i have total access to the system instantly.after i have about 3 windows and 8 Tabs open it will tell me explorer has stopped responding,3 seconds later its fine again.since changing graphics cards ive now installed kaspersky pure 2010 coz it uses less resources and loads quicker than the other versions from my experiance,hoping to not have any potential lag on my system while trying the card out.
as for running windows7 on older computers.i have another old DELL pentium4 that is around 11years old (its my test computer). IDE hard drive,cd player only, non bootable from USB,onboard graphics,512mb RAM,2.5GHz and i have made windows7 stick on that machine before(by un-mounting the ISO and setting up a bootable USB and launching it within the current operating system), and aslong as i defrag every 2days its fine also,of course i did have to tweek the OS abit,also i cant run aeropeek on that old pc.that PC cant play HD,MP4 or Blueray files.but handles win7.
ive also been playing with a heap of windows7 lite editions aswell as full versions  that i found on the internet and the original disc i own.and after over 400 formats on various computers in just over a year,customers included. i can make windows7 work on anything.
i would personaly say the old PC i just mentioned, and the new graphics card (thats in the better PC).are both capable but certianly not compatible with windows7

1st link, the pc i just rebuilt.
http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=i30d76kc90ncut7
2nd link, a Pentium4 that is also capable of running win7 after tweeking and changing settings etc...(tho i could not garentee its performance if i was to sell that old box)
http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=9ato7vq3ihaq4bz
at the end of the day, they sold me a crap graphics card that i could of gotten on ebay for $30,there such bad cards apparently that people are practicly giving them away.and ill prob reinstall my original nVidia7600 by the end of this week,and write this off as an expensive time wasing lesson that has given me less faith in the people we pay to help us.
ive heard all sorts of stories from different techs trying to sell me stuff aswell as being ripped off.from motherboards,CPUs,new hard drives,more power,RAM,whole computers etc.. basicly all wanting around $600 to $1000 for a custom build,then the next tech i speak to re-offers what the last tech couldnt deliver.its funny that 2 years on after re-oiling the CPU fan and rebuilding it, that old PC has been still going strong and hard.in fact ive formatted so many times(like hundreds) that last week the IDE on that particular system finally died (and i dont blame it considering its 11 yr's old and has been spinning practicily non stop for 2 years).although im still a beginner i have put thousands of hours into hands on prac and theory.basicly im just at the start of a road that will take a lifetime to reach the goals ive set for myself.i may not sound tech but thats coz i try and break everything down to an understanding level of a trained monkey.i absolutly loved your vids on technobable and the view of being able to teach an elderly person in a simplified,understandable manner is what brought me to this site in the beginning.
im concidering returning my card and getting a new motherboard instead, and then purchasing elsewere the hardware you personally recommend and rebuilding the system.ill create a new post for that,if i decide to go that way.

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« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2011, 04:26:04 PM »

Hi Davo. When I buy computer parts I rarely go into stores. I usually buy them at NewEgg.com or Amazon.com. They are a LOT cheaper than the stores. I just research whatever I plan to buy to death before I make a purchase. I also physically examine the inside of my PC (mainly motherboard) and look up the motherboard model number on the manufacturer site to see what I can put on there.

Recently I bought a used CPU from Amazon. Upgraded one of my nephew's PCs again to make his gaming experience faster.

btw, the "Pentium D" came right after the Pentium 4, so that is why some people might refer to it as the Pentium 5. But Intel's official name for the processor after the Pentium 4 is the "Intel Pentium D" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_D
It was Intel's 1st attempt at a dual-core processor.
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« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2011, 01:28:29 PM »

hi joey, i agree with you about researching as much as possible.that is why i seeked a refund before i installed it,i honestly didnt think it would be that difficult to purchase a computer part from a computer store lol. i wont keep going on about him due to the fact hes not here to defend himself,and i honestly couldnt stand to hear another moment of his tech jargin jiberish.i felt like he was reading straight from an encyclopedia he had saved the page from,for a conversation like we had. i guess some people are talk'ers and some are do'ers.

i will mention that one of the DDR3 RAM cards they sold me is faulty(installed 4 times),and i had to install the extra DDR3 in my notebook that i purchased as a gift for a friend. what these guys dont realise is i purchase items for myself,test them out and then go shopping for my customers usualy spending upto $1000 in a week on products and software.i have made alot of money for Kaspersky and Officeworks doing this same proccess. and if my card was half decent i would have then bought Camtasia and a decent video/graphic editing suite from them.

ive since dissabled the 3D effect and have set the card to bare minimum so i have performance set as my priority(a new bench mark is now impossible).
even tho he states the card i was after doesnt exist anymore(GeFORCE 7600),i bet i could prove that wrong by going to another store that offers similer help lol.or a quick google search will provide me many links to brand new cards that have never been opened.

i get a little concerned shopping online.not coz of theft,but due to how many postal handelers transport my products.i have ended up with a fauly router from a delivery before,and a wireless broadband stick was lost in a warehouse for over 4 months.
all's i can say is,they have now lost a valuble custommer.
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« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2012, 09:35:45 AM »

after almost a month of use,this card is not compatible with windows7.often asks me to turn off aero peek and dissable the drivers,change resolution and use windows7 basic instead.
i returned to the store demanding to exchange the faulty DDR3 RAM card and asked again for a cash refund for the graphics card. he said no, and win 7 wont work on a pentium4. i explained it was a pentium D again. and he said that is a pentium4. i had to give him a history lesson regarding the wikki search you did,explaining its there original dual core proccessor.
he asked what i wanted him to do about it and i asked to aquire a compatible card like my original one,or a cash refund. he again said they dont exist.i now question the abillitys of the Rep and Stock control and where they order there faulty parts from.at the same time i pulled out a 5 page print out of consumer rights staiting he was breaking the law, he laughed at me and refused to even look at. then asked if there was anything he could help with.
this shop has now sold me fauly and incompatible parts on 3 occasions whilst trying to get the original refund.
my next step is to contact NVIDIA suport questioning the compatibility,and then seek legal aid.
i was going to do a heap of negative reviews regarding 'EDs PCs'. but if the likes of this Mathew person is working there,then he will single handedly ruin the companys reputation anyhow.
if anyone lives in Australia and wants real help and parts i suggest shopping at 'Office Works',they have great staff and will exchange,order,deliver and refund at the customers choice.
this Mathew person, in my honest opinion is not a real tech at all, but more of a person thats all talk and has deceived and manipulated his way through life. A pro at deception.
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